mootools Vs. Jquery

This might be a bit of a taboo.

But as a beginner to mootools/javascript in general. What is the benefit of using mootools over other frameworks?

What does mootools have to offer that Jquery does not...

As of now it appears the Jquery community is more to it (at first glance)... simply stated.

I'm the lone MooTooler on my team while the rest use JQuery. I'm biased, of course, but I find MooTools much more elegant.

The other major difference is (or at least was) the plugins. JQuery seems to have an enormous amount of plugins varying in quality and support from great to terrible. I've found that the plugins for MT are robust and well supported (if you include this board). With the addition of the Clientside plugins (I promote that all the time) I don't think there's anything missing. Two-stop shopping.

Functionally though, I haven't found a single stitch of code they've written that I couldn't duplicate and the opposite is probably also true.

It's really comes down to a matter of taste. I chose MT in the beginning because of the tightly knit and knowledgeable community. Now that I've had some experience with it I don't think I could ever leave. It does everything and it's pretty. Isn't that what we're all looking for?

(For the record, I find that the JQuery community in general are more of a copy and paste sort of bunch while the MooToolers prefer to learn it and write it themselves. But again, I'm biased.)

Where is this community?
-the orignial mootools forum is disabled.
-the motools google group is filled with spam and lacks the functionality/organization that a forum (like this one ) has.

This site is very solid, but only has 140 members. the overwhelming majority don't have more then 10 posts.

I am definitely not the copy/paste type of guy. I really do love the look and feel of mootools, if i could find the people to help me pick apart the code and really dive into mootools... i wouldn't have ever even thought about switching.

I'm just running into problems that I feel I need to talk and interact with experienced "mootooler's" to troubleshoot and pick apart my mootools scripts. I can't seem to find that.

I was very excited to find this forum, as it has provided me with a little bit of hope to find a decent community.

Hi,
did you notice the funny debate about the "I want to be a rockstar" when the new jQuery layout was launched yesterday ?
Debate here : http://jquery.com/blog/2008/08/29/jquer ... ty-speaks/

John Resig answer here :
http://jquery.com/blog/2008/08/29/death ... ock-stars/

The culprit here :
http://jquery.com/blog/2008/08/29/jquer ... -redesign/

I have had a good laugh this morning.

@derleek - if you feel the need to chat, I suggest the IRC - a few of the devs hang out there, so they could help you out (however, the rules are kind of strict - have a code example, use a code pasting service, etc. instead of just popping in and asking "hey make a script." - which you said you aren't interested in doing so you should be fine )

I'm not the lone mootooler in my group, and a few friends do jQuery.

I know great devs who use on or the other, and I'm trying to continue using both - sometimes you never know when you'll be handed a site that was done in jquery - and it makes no sense in converting it to mootools versus continuing it in jquery.

A "versus" does not exist - it's pretty much preference. The benefit to going with jquery is you can dump it onto other sites that are utilizing another library - but that is damn lazy in my opinion, because it shows that instead of mastering one library to do all the work, you bastardize multiple libraries creating a HUGE download footprint.

I've had this discussion just recently on another board and the biggest barrier seems to be that community, or lack off, for Mootools. When they killed the forums it really aggravated me... and alot of other people. Especially when the community is so strong for JQuery. Google Groups stinks for finding help and building a community. Maybe I'm just old school.

I love the forums here and am glad you guys took the initiative to do something. Everything is laid out very well. I've been on a break for the last few months but I'm finally back to coding so hopefully I'll be more active around here.

I find that Mootools gives you a great system to code any JavaScript project, where jQuery is more "well, we did it for you...so, here you go".

I just find jQuery to be too...limiting. Am I right?

@xeran - I know the feeling. I like writing mootools classes that are a bit cleaner than a bunch of initiated calls.

The syntax is just, for lack of a better work, sexier in mootools than jquery.

jQuery can have its rockstars, we will stick with our porn stars..

first: i'm very glad this forum seems to be growing!! yay!

second: There really is just something about Jquery that I don't like. I haven't really had much of a chance to dive into it like I have with mootools, but i have decided that I am going to stick with mootools (initially, i'll probably have to learn some Jquery stuff too).

third: Yes, the lack of mootools community is VERY frustrating. It seems like this 'unofficial' forum might help out the community greatly.

I've seen *lot* of cool code/plugins/effects, written for jquery - and that is when knowing jquery comes in handy, when you want to convert it. Thankfully, it's not too different that you can't figure it out, and the documentation is pretty easy to dig through.